Unlocking L&D's Hidden Value Podcast
With Dr. Keith Keating And Dr. Jerry Zandstra
Join Dr. Jerry Zandstra, Senior Director of Learning at Ingenuiti, and Dr. Keith Keating, Chief Learning and Development Officer for BDO, Canada in this special podcast. Listen as they discuss Dr. Keating’s book, “Hidden Value: How to Reveal the Impact of Organizational Learning.
This episode explores the challenges L&D teams face in demonstrating their value beyond traditional metrics like satisfaction scores and completion rates. Dr. Keating and Dr. Zandstra argue that the most significant hurdle is not a lack of resources, but a need to reframe the conversation around learning. They emphasize shifting from a “cost center” mindset to a “value driver” by focusing on solving business problems, not just creating content.
The conversation covers:
The Myth of the Learning Budget: Why the belief that the L&D budget is the first to be cut is a “victim mentality.”
The Power of Storytelling: How qualitative data and a compelling narrative can effectively communicate the impact of learning.
The Importance of Business Partnership: The need for L&D professionals to understand their stakeholders’ priorities and speak their language.
The Role of a Problem Solver: How L&D practitioners can elevate their function by focusing on solving problems, not just delivering courses.
This episode is a must-listen for any L&D professional who has ever felt unseen, undervalued, or underestimated. It will equip you with the language and mindset to prove the true value of your work.

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Meet Our Speakers:

Dr. Keith Keating serves as a Chief Learning Officer for BDO and Academic Director for the University of Pennsylvania’s CLO doctoral program. He is the author of the award-winning L&D practitioner’s guide, “The Trusted Learning Advisor,” and his new book “Hidden Value: How to Reveal the Impact of Organizational Learning.”
A respected industry author and sought-after keynote speaker, Dr. Keating ardently champions lifelong learning as the pathway to seizing control of one’s career trajectory. He is also an advocate for talent development and leverages his platform to emphasize human talent as the cornerstone of organizational success. He resides in Toronto.

Jerry Zandstra: Jerry Zandstra is Ingenuiti’s Senior Director of Learning. Dr. Zandstra holds two master’s degrees and two doctorates, and he has been in the learning, training, and development space for more than thirty years.
eLearning Industry (eLI) has named Dr. Zandstra as a Global Learning Trailblazer for 2022 and 2023.
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